{"id":889,"date":"2013-03-07T03:18:44","date_gmt":"2013-03-07T07:18:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/?p=889"},"modified":"2014-04-15T15:32:18","modified_gmt":"2014-04-15T19:32:18","slug":"installdowngrade-to-windows-7-from-windows-8-hp-laptop-adventures","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/2013\/03\/07\/installdowngrade-to-windows-7-from-windows-8-hp-laptop-adventures\/","title":{"rendered":"Install\/Downgrade to Windows 7 from Windows 8 &ndash; HP laptop adventures"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I&#8217;ve been without a good working portable\/laptop computer for some time (had a couple liberated and another fail) and decided the time was nigh to purchase a very good one for my needs.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I did loads of research on specs and ratings etc. of course, that&#8217;s part of what I&#8217;ve been doing for a few decades. So I might have a pretty good idea of what I want and need.<br \/>\nFor me I am primarily concerned with a system that can match or exceed the computing abilities of my workstation. That means a fast 64bit multi-core processor with Hyper Virtualization Technology built in &#8211; an i7, loads of fast RAM, a large fast HDD, dedicated video card and ample ports for devices and connections.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I found some good Dell&#8217;s, Asus&#8217;, and HPs. I am a huge fan of Amazon, New Egg and Costco and looked extensively on their sites too. I finally settled on an HP that Costco had for sale with bang up specs and a <\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">great price<\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">. In fact the price was way better than I could get configuring the device on HPs site or a comparable one on Dell&#8217;s site.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">This, and most new systems; desktops and laptops now come with Windows 8 pre-installed. Windows 8 is a nice operating system and brings some nice &#8216;under the hood&#8217; improvements in security and performance. AND it&#8217;s User Interface (UI) is very easy to navigate <em>for those not that familiar with a Windows Operating system<\/em>. All the &#8216;simple things&#8217; &#8211; web, email, social media, games etc., are quickly accessed and controlled on the Metro &#8216;front page&#8217;. For those that are very familiar with older versions however it will definitely take some getting used to.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">HOWEVER, I&#8217;m an IT guy. I use dozens of applications on a regular basis, usually daily. AND there are many network\/system management applications that will not run on Windows 8 (yet, or ever). So I needed to be sure that whatever hardware I got that I would be able to downgrade\/install Windows 7 Enterprise.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I made several calls to HP over the past couple months speaking with sales and tech people alike. I was finally assured by a level III tech manager that I would be able to install Windows 7 onto my machine with out &#8216;much&#8217; difficulty. That the Windows 8 (and maybe some of the Windows 7 drivers from the just previous models) <em>would\/should<\/em> work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">So I broke down and ordered a new laptop over a month ago. WELL\u2026 I finally got it. It had to be made in China exported to the U.S.A., clear customs in Alaska and finally make it to me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">That&#8217;s when things got even more fun. &lt;sarcasm&gt;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">You see, most newer systems are now shipping with <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">UEFI<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> type of \u2018bios\u2019. UEFI allows for some great flexibility in hardware and configuration that wasn\u2019t possible with the old style of BIOS. Here\u2019s Microsoft\u2019s take on it:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">In addition to better interoperability, UEFI firmware provides several technical advantages: <\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Compatibility with operating systems that support only BIOS <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Ability to boot from large disks <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">CPU-independent architecture <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">CPU-independent drivers <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Flexible pre-OS environment <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Modular design <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Two of the most notable Windows features for UEFI systems are the following: <\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Multicast deployment, which enables large scale network-based image deployment in manufacturing and enterprise settings. <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Fast boot and resume from hibernation, which improves user experience. <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">The rich UEFI interface provides ample room for innovation in the development of operating system features. Along with the other members of the Unified EFI Forum, Microsoft is investigating the following: <\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Rootkit prevention (theoretically)<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Network authentication at the \u2018BIOS\/FIRMWARE\u2019 level<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">But<\/span><\/strong> many Operating systems will <strong>not<\/strong> work \u2013 at all with this firmware. AND.. This also allows the manufacture to possibly \u2018secure\u2019 \u2013 read LOCK, the ability to install ANY drivers or <strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Operating Systems<\/span><\/strong> that are not \u2018properly signed\u2019 or <em>specifically \u2018allowed\u2019<\/em> by said manufacturer. Sounds great for \u2018security\u2019 but that fails when you wish to work on\/configure your own hardware! [Wow sounds like an Apple product huh!] Thank goodness I was able to enter the System Setup\/Bios (unlock\/disable secure mode) and enable \u2018legacy bios support. But then came some other issues\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">HP is now throwing the PC enthusiasts under the bus. <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/SJsXdD\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Computerworld<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0 has said that they have again changed their support for &#8216;downgrading&#8217; Operating System &#8211; specifically Window 8 down to Windows 7. What a bunch of crap! Users in the past always could downgrade, <em>assuming they had the appropriate licenses<\/em> &#8212; Windows 8 Pro &#8212; and media for Windows 7 Professional or Vista Business. The question was whether their machines would work after a downgrade. &#8220;The company retained its warning that if customers downgraded to Windows 7 and reached out to HP for support, they may have to restore the original Windows 8 OS to get help from the company.&#8221; Oh well, I&#8217;ve got a solution for that I\u2019ll get to later.<br \/>\nWell I\u2019ve already got my system so I might as well give it a go!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">My solution was two fold. First I removed the original HDD before I even powered up the laptop and just put it aside in case I had to send the whole thing back as it was when I received it. I could just reset the BIOS to default, install my original Hard Disk and bam, just like new. <em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Yes I know most wouldn\u2019t go through this much trouble, and that is OK. You can just skip this part and wipe the drive that came with the system and move on from there. But me, I\u2019m a tad extra careful and conservative and always make sure I have a complete \u2018escape\u2019 plan.<\/span> <\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I purchased a brand new Hard Disk Drive. I Picked up a 1 terabyte (1TB) 7200RPM HGST\/Western Digital drive from Fry\u2019s for just under $100. Being a Western Digital I know that the HP HDD drivers should work with it. And this drive was faster than what came stock \u2013 7200 RPM vs. 5400RPM!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Second part of my plan was the actual installation of Window 7 (Enterprise in my case) to the laptop.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Some pre-requisites: Make sure you have a Windows 7-64 bit WITH SP1 install DVD. You can only use a 64 bit version of Windows AND it must have SP1 already incorporated (sometimes called \u2018slipstreamed\u2019) or you will not be able to install this on UEFI hardware. Also go to the manufacture\u2019s web site and download ALL the Windows 8 64bit drivers for you model of system (for me it was HPs DV6t-7200) AND see if you can find the Windows 7 64 bit drivers for the model \u2018just preceding\u2019 the Windows 8 model you have \u2013 for me that was the DV6t-7000. After you\u2019ve downloaded all the drivers extract each one to its own folder. If you use 7-zip (which you already should be) you can just right-click on the drivers self-extracting\u00a0 \u2018.exe\u2019 file and then choose 7-Zip option to \u2018Extract to \u201c\\<em>drivername<\/em>\u201d folder\\\u2019 . Then copy all these to a DVD or USB drive you\u2019ll need them once you get Windows booted to the point that you are booted to the desktop. Probably the most important ones are the Network Adapter drivers. You will certainly need to get online quickly to \u2018Activate\u2019 your Windows installation, Update you Windows installation and hopefully update your drivers automatically.<\/p>\n<p>So now the semi easy part.<\/p>\n<p>Boot into you bios\/setup \u2013 usually it\u2019s the \u2018Esc\u2019 key and then enter \u2018Setup\u2019 or System Setup. On some machines it might be F1, F2 or the like. But you need to get to the BIOS\/Firmware options. You may even be prompted to enter a password! Thankfully as of now most manufacturers actually present that password \u2013 usually a number, right on the screen; enter it and then you will be in.<\/p>\n<p>In the setup options use the arrow keys and enter to navigate (as described on the help window at the bottom of the screens.) and make sure you do NOT have \u2018Secure Boot\u2019 enabled. Usually you can use the\u00a0 arrow keys to select this option and then once high-lighted press either F6, F5 or + or \u2013 to change the value. It must not be Enabled or you can not install Windows 7.<\/p>\n<p>Then you have to to change <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Boot mode to LAGACY <\/strong><\/span>in BIOS. (Sometimes it is Legacy mode:Enabled). And in the Legacy section of the bios boot order make sure that the 1st boot device is UEFI DVD drive. Then Save Changes and exit.<\/p>\n<p>The system will reboot. And hopefully <strong><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">if<\/span><\/em><\/strong> you\u2019ve enabled legacy boot mode, made sure that the 1st boot device is UEFI DVD drive (And of course put your Windows 7 64SP1 installation DVD in the drive!), you should be able to install Windows 7!<\/p>\n<p>Yay!! Then comes another fun part. After Windows is installed you will surely have to install a whole load for drivers. Open Device Manager (see all the yellow exclamation marks!), right-click on the devices and choose update driver. Then put in your DVD with all your drivers you made earlier and start finding the updated drivers.<\/p>\n<p>OK, so that is a short version of an even longer winded version I originally had written about this project. I\u2019ll be adding more articles as I can. Some will be how to dual boot Window 7 and Windows 8 &#8211; on separate partitions, how to decide I you can\/should upgrade to Windows 8 and how to properly do it. I\u2019ll also, from time to time put up more tips on navigating through Windows 8.<\/p>\n<p>Hope this helps some. Peace out.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Update 05\/09\/2013: Costco is again offering this laptop I updated the link above or you can <a href=\"http:\/\/www.costco.com\/.product.100036056.html?&amp;EMID=B2C_2013_0509_MayMVM\">go here<\/a>. And if you&#8217;re looking for a good HDD <a href=\"http:\/\/amzn.to\/10dujC1\">here is one<\/a>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been without a good working portable\/laptop computer for some time (had a couple liberated and another fail) and decided the time was nigh to purchase a very good one for my needs. I did loads of research on specs and ratings etc. of course, that&#8217;s part of what I&#8217;ve been doing for a few &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/2013\/03\/07\/installdowngrade-to-windows-7-from-windows-8-hp-laptop-adventures\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Install\/Downgrade to Windows 7 from Windows 8 &ndash; HP laptop adventures&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":587,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[220,222,221,18,219,15,218],"tags":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/889"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/587"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=889"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/889\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":964,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/889\/revisions\/964"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=889"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=889"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mikemartinezonline.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=889"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}